Showing posts with label Leica. Show all posts
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20 Jun 2013

Revisiting the Leica M8 (With Images)


About a year and a half ago I purchased one of my most sought after pieces of equipment (well the Leica M9 was the goal but at nearly £4000 that was out of the question) a Leica M8 digital Rangefinder. I had been searching for a small capable camera to accompany my main camera (Canon 5D mk 2) for some time. I considered getting a Leica or Zeiss Ikon film rangefinder but decided that for pro quick turnaround work I would probably be better off with a digital and then purchasing a film one later when I have spare money in the future. Mainly this small camera would be my everyday carry around camera and also my second camera when it came to weddings and other photo shoots, for the more discreet unobtrusive moments where the size and shotgun blast of a 5d mk 2's mirror could disturb the moment. So looking into this at the time the only options were the newly released Fuji X100, Leica X1 and the ageing Leica M8.

*I have to warn you that this post takes some twists and turns before we get to the actual revisiting but I feel the little back story is important to this post so I hope you find the whole thing informative, It s based on my personal thoughts and experiences, not a full spec professional review of the camera*

Price & Options

The M8 was the most expensive option as it would be £1600 used and I would have to purchase a decent lens on top of that but it was also released around 2006 so the technology inside was already showing it's age. The fuji had unreliable autofocus and you would be stuck with the 35mm field of view, being a fixed lens camera but it was nice and small.. The Leica X1 was just too pricey for what it was in my opinion, basically a fuji x100 without a built in view finder. So to me the logical option would be to try the M8 to see how it performs, I had seen great results from people like Gorbot on flickr (check out his photo's they are awesome) using the m8 with Carl Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses and thought that this would suit my documentary approach to photo shoots and weddings. As I stated before, the technology inside the M8 was a bit older and that was my main concern, could it hold up at higher ISO's? (which for weddings in scotland is nearly essential) Is the image quality good enough by today's standards? (I had certainly seen examples that proved it could) also most importantly would I like the rangefinder experience?

Lens Options
So I played around for nearly a whole day in Ffordes photographic with the M8, testing different lenses in different lighting conditions. Due to the M8 not being a full frame camera (it's a 1.33 crop, which is still bigger than most DSLR's certainly at the time) I had to find the right lens focal length. I tried some Carl Zeiss lenses, mainly the 28mm f2.8 Biogon (which is around a 37mm on the M8, near a good standard focal length), the 50mm f2 planar which was a little too long I feel for my taste with the crop factor, they didn't have the 35mm f2 in stock at the time unfortunately which I really wanted to try (that would have been nearer the 50mm field of view). I also tried the Zeiss Sonnar 50mm f1.5 but again was too long for my liking. I also tried the Voigtlander 35mm f1.4 and 2.5, also the 40mm f1.4. Sadly they did not have a Nokton 35mm f1.2 which might have taken my fancy but being a small camera I wanted a small-ish lens to start with and the Nokton is huge (for a m-mount lens). I also then tried some expensive Leica lenses, starting with the 28mm f2.8 Elmarit then the 35mm f2 Summicron.  I had decided that I wanted a 28 or 35 as I wanted something that wasn't too long like a 50 would have been.

I liked the 1.4 of the Voigtlander 35mm  (which would help in low light if the ISO wasn't quite up to scratch) but looking at some sample shots I found the Leica's and Zeiss to render a better image (to my eye anyway). I would still have liked to try the 1.2 though as I hear good things about it, especially the version II which is now released. After trying both the Zeiss and Leica lenses extensively in the store I came to the conclusion that I would go for the Zeiss 28mm f2.8 Biogon. When it came down to it I couldn't see much if any difference in image quality compared to the Elmarit and I actually liked the look and feel of the Zeiss on the M8 better (call me crazy but I really did), I also really liked the focus ring on the Zeiss instead of the tab on the Leica, personal preference I suppose. I didi realise that the Zeiss may have some colour problems due to not being 6 bit coded for the camera like all the Leica lenses are but in the store I couldn't see any problems in the images, this would become less of a problem if shooting in black and white obviously which I do a lot. I also had to purchase the lens hood and an IR filter as the M8 suffers from an IR problem when shooting in colour which was an annoying extra cost and surely the lens hood could come with the lens. Anyway I was happy and left the store much poorer but did not regret my decision. I had a week to test it out, see if it would fit into my work flow.

Rangefinder Experience
Straight off I have to say I really loved the whole Rangefinder experience, the small unobtrusive size, the quieter shutter (not as quiet as the film leica's I've tried but much quieter than my 5D), the viewfinder (seeing outside the frame lines), the simple no frills operation and the awesome build quality.  I was finally having tons of fun shooting again and it all fit in a tiny bag and hardly weighed anything when over my shoulder, I was shooting in situations where before I wouldn't even have bothered takeing out my 5D. 

Image Qality
As far as Image quality I was very surprised. Combined with the Biogon lens at lower ISO's the sharpness and out of camera DNG files were stunning. I have never seen files come out of a camera like that (especially in Raw). It beat my Canon 5D mk 2 for sharpness and contrast and even the black and white out of camera JPEG's were nicely toned and contrasty, did I say I was surprised? The files did have less dynamic range when it came to post processing when compared to th 5D MK 2 but that is to be expected, no surprise there, the solution? get the exposure right, simple.

I decided to test the ISO capabilities so upping it to 640 I instantly saw digital noise and some colour noise also which I was really pissed off by and this just got worse when shooting in actual lower light situations (it wasn't too bad in bright daylight). Upping it to 1250 increased more colour noise and 2500 was virtually unusable in colour. I was very disappointed as I wanted an all round camera ( I think I expected too much). Everything else was perfect about the camera (well apart from the 1.33 crop but I could live with that till I could afford an M9 or whatever else came out that met that specs). Anyway I kept testing it for a few days, having fun but the no colour in low light kind of bugged me a bit. I also found some sensor problems (small array of white dots that would appear at ISO 1250 and above), this kind of turned me off the camera, Ffordes kindly said they would sent it to Leica for sensor repair but by that time I was regretting my purchase (especially for the money) so I decided to send it back to the shop and purchase other lenses for my Canon instead, after enjoying the Zeiss lens so much I purchased two Carl Zeiss lenses for my 5D mk 2.

Revisiting The Images I Shot With The M8 
So we have made it to the actual revisiting section. Yesterday I was looking through my older hard drive and found a file labelled 'All Leica M8 Tests' so I opened it up to find a load of folders from the week I spent with the camera. Intrigued I started to look through them, finding some pretty cool shots (along with boring shots as I was testing it in all situations to see it's real world use). I was instantly surprised or should I say Re-surprised by the DNG files sharpness, tones and contrast. So I picked a few images out and started to process them as I do my 5Dmk2 files and found that they actually needed less work to get my desired style (lets face it all Raw/DNG files need some work at least, thats the whole point of the digital negative) and also that they were sharper with a bit more punch if that makes sense, I'm down for any camera that will give me less time editing in front of the screen.

I also decided to take a look at them higher ISO images that annoyed me so much initially and yes at 1250 and 2500 the colour noise is pretty much unusable in my opinion.........but..........when they are converted to black and white they look awesome! thats right Awesome!  Now I didn't overlook this initially as I knew they looked good in black and white but I wanted a colour capable camera. I am unsure what has changed (maybe my style, maybe my expectations, I do not know) but I now see the files and think the these high ISO files (in B&W) look stunning. The noise is very very film like and I always put film grain into my B&W 5D mk 2 files now anyway, some times a lot of noise. I shot a lot of Neopan 1600 in my film days which these files are very comparable to when I have processed them (contrast/curves adjustments etc). I now see this camera as an awesome black and white camera that also shoots good colour at 320 ISO and below. I do shoot more black and white these days especially at weddings and the M8 would fit right in. I also my desire for technically perfect looking images is no longer there, I focus on creating images with character which these M8 files definitely have.

Funny what a turn around has occurred in a year and a half since I gave the camera back, fair enough it was the sensor damage that really tipped the scale but I just really wanted to write this, maybe as sort of an apology to my little M8, I obviously just wasn't ready to realise its potential in my workflow at that time and now I am considering buying another one with the same Zeiss lens of course and maybe that Nokton 35mm 1.2 I was lusting after which will help even more in low light if I want colour. I saw someone say recently that the M8 was like the original baby Leica Monochrome and I agree. I even like the crop factor giving me more depth of field for street shooting now. How things change in such a short time, I now think this would be a great second camera to compliment my main kit.

Time to start shopping.

Here are some of the shots I took with M8, there isn't that much good one's as I had it for just a short time and mostly tested it in boring situations but I hope you get the idea. All images were processed in camera raw. No Raw sharpening applied to any images if I recall correctly. They need no sharpening.





Cat after a hard days work I just loved the tones. This has had curves adjustments to the DNG but the tones were so good out of camera.


Postman Pat!

My only street shot, I didn't want to go out street shooting much incase something happened to the camera so I couldn't return it if needed. Very discreet for street shooting as expected.

Trolleys at Lidl's. Nice colours.


Cat in our flat at the time, this has had some tweaks in curves but the tones the DNG file gets makes life so easy when processing. Window light.


My girlfriend Cat in our flat at the time, That lens was awesome. 
Window light.


ISO 2500 and the Black and White digital noise looks really good.


ISO 1250 , less grain obviously and looks good.


Again nice tones. Curve adjustments but again awesome tones to just tweak out of camera.



Portrait of my dad


My mum cooking Sunday lunch


Our friend from Malta, Tonina. She has since passed away. 

So that's it, hope it is a little informative, sorry I don't have much interesting shots, wish I could get it back to go shoot some better examples. 
Cheers for reading.
Andrew. 


8 Mar 2012

Carl Zeiss Distagon 28mm f2 ZE & 35mm f2 ZE Video Review


I purchased these two Carl Zeiss lenses last year for my Canon 5D MK 2. The Distagon T* 35mm f2 and the 28mm f2 ZE. I wrote up a blog post review on them and recently I have been getting a lot of emails since inquiring about my experience with them so I decided to make a video version which hopefully will clear up some people's questions. It was made on the fly with no preparation but I hope I hit the main points about my experiences with them over the last 6 months.

You can view the blog post I wrote up just after shooting a wedding with these lenses here
You can also view all my favourite images from the wedding day here 

I hope this video helps some people looking at these lenses with some of the same questions and curiosities that I had before purchasing them.


Check out my youtube page here which has this video (in three parts) and some other stuff. 


















9 Jan 2012

Fuji X - Pro 1 announcement and thoughts.


So I see that Fuji are doing an announcement today. Now I am not one to get excited about flashy new camera gear unless it really is something different or especially cool. I'll admit I got a little excited about the Fuji X100 but never actually bought one as I was really waiting for an interchangeable lens version with half decent auto focus speeds, the X100 is notoriously slow and If I'm paying that much money I want something that works real good. I personally have had a Canon 5D MK 2 for a few years and have slowly gathered all my ideal lenses for that system so I am not in a hurry to start a new one or anything but there is something about Fuji right now that is pretty damn exciting. They brought out the X100 when nobody was really expecting such a camera, it was innovative and exactly what a lot of manufacturers were saying was near impossible (or would come far in the future) at the time. That hybrid viewfinder took a shit on the traditionalists approach to a rangefinder styled camera and I think we will all agree it was a brilliant step in the right direction. I am a fan of the rangefinder system and purchased a Leica M8 for a while just to get that exact experience of simplicity and discreetness (that's probably not a word) but in the end went back to the Canon SLR system for overall functionality (I am not filthy rich, other wise I would have both obviously) but I loved the small camera and the great array of lenses. There is something amazing about having a small camera and lens combo in your hand or bag compared to a big clunky SLR with big 85mm or zoom lens mounted.

When the Fuji X100 came out I was so happy that a company finally had the balls to do something creative with the small camera concept. The Panasonic and Olympus 4/3 cameras were alright but I just felt they were a bit half assed and wasn't really aimed at people who wanted great image quality, functionality and style but with a place to put your eye and look through in order to frame the picture, to be honest I didn't think it was that much to ask, basically a modernised Leica M9 that wasn't so ridiculously overpriced, doesn't have to be built to the standards of the M9, just give us a camera around the same price as a pro spec camera like the 5D MK 2/Nikon D700 with around equal image quality in a small body, surely with technology these days it's possible and Fuji really blew away the competition by coming out with the X100 and although plagued by odd flaws that really shouldn't have been there it was an amazing step in the right direction. I was always calling for a digital Zeiss Ikon. Zeiss a great company that came out with the Zeiss ikon film camera to challenge the Leica M camera's, although it came out a bit too late in my opinion it gave people a great alternative that was also affordable. I know there are probably problems with Zeiss doing this as a lot of Leica owners buy Zeiss lenses as a more affordable option after shelling out massive amounts of cash for their Leica  body and Leica probably have some agreement for Zeiss not to bring about a camera to challenge the M (maybe not but it seems so, as otherwise I believe Zeiss would be making moves to take over the market).

Now with the announcement of this new Fuji X-Pro1 it could really be the camera myself and a lot of other people have been waiting for. Almost like the digital Zeiss ikon that I have wanted for ages. It has not officially been announced yet (later today at 9pm) but I hear it will have a Leica M-mount adaptor so all them lovely Leica and Zeiss lenses will fit nicely on there, mmmmmm sounds like a nice prospect (I really like them Zeiss ZM lenses). People are also speculating whether this will be a full frame or APS-C sensor camera and whether there will be a higher spec camera released which will be the full frame pro camera and the X-pro1 will be the high end enthusiast camera. I know Leica are going to be releasing some new cameras later this year, one which will probably be a direct competitor to the Fuji X-Pro 1  with a similar hybrid viewfinder also but we will have to wait and see for that. The one thing you know about Leica is that it will be a lot more expensive which isn't really a negative thing as they know there target market and that most regular folks can't really afford there stuff. I am unfortunately or fortunately which ever way you look at it am a regular guy so naturally I want more for my money and cheer for the company who takes a creative chance to get these really cool innovative products out at a semi-affordable price.

So I for one am looking forward to this Fuji announcement today, I am rooting for them to blow away the competition again, shock the other companies into reality and to get there shit together. Instead of churning out these same camera body's one after another with very minimal differences (megapixelLeica who seemed to have slowed down and got into a back and forth rut. Although Fuji X-Pro1 isn't the same camera as a Canon 5D MK 2 or Nikon D700 but if this system works I think it will take a lot of sales away from these cameras I personally would maybe consider switching. If we can get that high image quality, great functionality and all in a much smaller package it would be really interesting. As we all know, everyone likes an underdog and that's what I think Fuji have become, the underdog that can't compete toe to toe with the big boys but instead utilises creativity and technique to pose an interesting challenge that the opponents weren't really expecting.

This could also be good for Zeiss and Leica with the M-mount adaptor announcement. I'm sure Fuji will bring out more great lenses but a lot of people will love to put the Zeiss ZM and Leica M lenses onto this camera and I'm sure sales will go up, in Zeiss especially as they are affordable but with that amazing image quality.

When I started writing this it was originally going to be a few lines of text saying how I was looking forward to this announcement and how much I hoped for something really special from Fuji but It looks like I had some more views on this products and the current state of digital cameras in general, oh well it was nice to put these thoughts into text. I really like that Fuji are doing something different and at least attempting to shake up the status quo for the better which is always a good thing. It's great for us photographers and keeps things interesting, I like to have options and it looks like we will have some interesting decisions to make in the near future about our main camera systems.

Basically someone in Fuji is pushing boundaries and being creative as possible, I for one love it, even if I don't end up buying the camera. Keep it coming.

Feel free to leave any comments, opinions or emails on your Fuji X-Pro 1 thoughts or if you agree or disagree with anything I have said. 


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20 Jul 2011

More Leica M8 Tests

This is some more images I shot with the Leica M8 I traded some old equipment for at the weekend. I still think I have to return it for some other equipment for my Canon 5D Mark 2 (maybe a couple of zeiss lenses) as the M8 a good a camera as it is just doesn't perform well enough in low light for my needs.

It does create some really nice images though when you keep it in the cameras lower ISO's, here are some recent shots.


The Paper Boy. 
The M8 Raw files out of the camera are great, very sharp, detailed and great contrast (could have something to do with the great 28mm zeiss lens too. 


Spiced.
Some dodgy goings on.
The M8 excels in shots like this, very small, light and quite quiet.


Late Night Cyclist.
ISO 2500 which in colour looks horrible but in Black and White and reduced in size it looks quite good.


Our friends from Malta came to Scotland for a Holiday.
Lovely detail captured by the M8 here.


Tonina Portrait. 
She is full of life.



Cat after a long hard day at work.
She still has a cool look even when she's not looking or feeling her best.


Postman Pat at Tesco's.


18 Jul 2011

Leica M8 Test



At the weekend I purchased a camera that I have always wanted to get my hands on, a Leica M8, well i wanted an M9 but thats not in the bank balances reach at the moment. I got it with a new Zeiss 28mm f2.8  (a great relatively inexpensive lens).

I love the feel of the camera, I love how it functions and I love how small it is. The high ISO range is fairly crap really but I was expecting this. The one problem I found though was that there is a vertical line on all high ISO images which is pretty unacceptable considering I wanted to use this as part of my professional kit as a small accompaniment to my 5d mark 2. There is also a red and a green pixel which appears in all images regardless of ISO which is a pain. Needless to say I will be returning the camera as I can't  use it and I'm not sure whether to get it fixed and returned to me or to just get some nice lenses for my 5d (a 35 f1.4 or 24 f1.4 and 135 f2).

It's a shame about the ISO performance of this camera but it is 6 years old digital technology and I can't afford an m9 which should have at least a stop better performance I would think. The files have much less room for play than any digital SLR camera I have owned but isn't too big a deal as if you get the exposure correct its fine. When you get the exposure correct on an ISO of 640 or below it produces some of the best RAW files I have seen, very very sharp (no need for any extra sharpening which all my canon files need). The above shot is a nice example, it's not a good photo on my part but this is pretty much a straight Raw file that all i did was convert to black and white, my canon would need a good bit of normal processing to get this.

All in all I really liked the M8 but i believe it is certainly showing its age when it comes to technology. It is pretty slow which is no problem for me as i don't shoot that quick anyway, the ISO performance leaves a lot to be desired but it is 6 years old and when used correctly can produce amazing files.

This was my first rangefinder experience, I have always wanted to get into this style of shooting as I knew I would love it, and love it I did. Using a rangefinder for focusing was amazing, much better than any autofocus or manual focus in an SLR for my style of shooting. I also loved that is is small and very discreet, nobody cared about me photographing them on the street for the day I had to test out the camera and I got so much shots that I just wouldn't have with my 5D.  It was great to see outside the framelines and waiting for the scene to happen rather than looking through an SLR finder and not knowing whats going on outside of that little rectangle. Using the rangefinder also made lowlight focusing a pleasure, if you can see you can focus (shame the m8 can't do that great in lowlight high ISO grain performance, it's not as bad as some people say though, in black and white that is, colour is horrible, this is why you buy fast lenses). I think the M9 would do much better (well I would hope so at that price).  If the M9 could give me a nice 1600 file in colour I would be a very happy camper (when I can afford one).

All in all I hate to part with the M8 but with so many little niggles after having it for a few days (it is old and is used so this is always a possibility) and ISO performance that really isn't great for the environments I shoot in (and I can't afford a noctilux) I think I will have to return it and get something else no matter how much I want to keep it, I can't justify the price tag for a camera that I can't really get what I need out of it (really wish I could get my hands on an m9). I may either get a fuji x100 and a canon lens or two canon lenses, I'll decide over the next day or two.

There really is nothing like using a leica (even though the M8 is apparently not the best leica camera according to regular leica users) and I will buy a leica again in the future but what model i'm not sure. Maybe a nice M6 or MP and shoot some good old film.


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